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Owner Review - Dana Designs Alpine LTW Arc Flex
xtremereality
2004-06-05 23:59:25 UTC
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Gear Review 1

Dana Design - Alpine LTW ArcFlex



Name: John C. Muse
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Height: 5'11" (1.8 meters)
Weight: 170lbs (77 kilograms)
Email address: johncmuse-/***@public.gmane.org
City, State, Country: Lafayette, LA, USA
Date: June 5, 2004

Backpacking Background: I've been backpacking for 8 years. I from Lafayette, Louisiana, which is flat, humid, and full of mosquitoes. I learned the basics of backpacking in Louisiana, but soon started branching out to other states as well as other countries. I have hiked in every terrain out there, with my least experience being snow and ice. My hikes are usually week long trips but I do occasionally make a weekend trip. I hiked hundreds of miles in Louisiana and Arkansas, but my most known hikes would be hiking in the Weminuchee Wilderness in Colorado, Juan de Fuca Trail and West Coast Trail in Canada, and the Annapurna Trail in Nepal. I plan to hike the South to North Lake Trail in California's Sierra Nevada's this summer. I am an experienced backpacking guide with the majority of my hiking trips being with groups, but I love when my wife and I can get out by ourselves.

Product information

Manufacturer - Dana Design

Year of manufacture - 2002

URL - www.DanaDesign.com

Listed weight - 6lbs 7ounces (2.92 kilograms) for medium size pack

Weight as delivered. - Unknown because pack was delivered to a local outfitter and was out of the box when I received the pack.

Product description. - Designed for mountaineering, this pack's honed features and high modularity employs unparalleled versatility for expedition to weekend adventures. (Dana Design website) The pack comes in XS, S, M, L, XL. Medium pack capacity is 5000 cu. In. (82 Liters).


Field information

The pack test was conducted on two different trips to Colorado. In Colorado both test were conducted on the same trail but going in opposite directions in separate summers. The trail is located in the Weminuchee Wilderness in the Durango/Silverton area. I hiked a 60 mile section in 7 days with a group of 15 students going from Purgatory Trailhead to Chicago Basin to Molas Pass Trailhead the first summer and the opposite direction the next summer. The terrain is mountainous with elevations along the trail going from 7000ft. (2134meters) to 12,500ft. (3810meters). While on the trail I encountered rain, snow, hail, as well as days of great weather. The temperature during the day at elevations above 10,000ft. (3048meters) was comfortable enough for a midweight long sleeve top and midweight bottoms except when the weather would go sour and then more layers would come on. Below 10,000ft. (3048
meters) the temperature was warm enough to wear shorts and a t-shirt until the sun went down.

The packs performance on the trail was what I expected it would be - Awesome! On the trail my pack weighed between 40lbs (18.14kilograms) and 55lbs (24.95kilograms) depending on whether or not I was having to carry any gear for any of the students. As with any hike the first few days are when my pack is the heaviest and lightens up as the days go buy due to eaten food. Also the first few days are usually susceptible to minor pack adjustments especially with a new pack. I was pleased to find that with the diversity of changes within the pack over the duration of the hike that the outside adjustments never budged. I give credit of the adjustments to my local outfitter who took the time to make sure that the pack was adjusted perfectly for my body.

Some neat features on this pack that cater to the ever changing loads within the pack are the beaver tail shovit and the collapsible sleeping bag compartment as well as the removable lid/day pack, which comes in handy once I get to camp and want to day hike around the area. By collapsing my sleeping bag compartment I can change the way the load sits on my back and decrease the capacity of my pack which is great for shorter trips and trips that start out with only my personal gear in my pack. As with any trip it never fails that I am going to have to carry some of another students gear which makes expanding the collapsed sleeping bag compartment very useful and if I really have to get crazy with adding students gear the beaver tail shovit comes in handy for expansion on the outside of my pack. Even with the varying loads the pack always felt the same on my back. The only thing that suffer
ed a little more with the addition of weight was my legs.

On the trail as I encountered the different weather elements that Mother Nature thru at me, I simply would stop hiking and throw my Dana Design pack cover on my pack and a few more layers on my body and continue on my hike to that days destination. The different weather elements never affected the way the pack performed due to the pack cover. If on the other hand I would have let the pack get soaking wet it would have significantly changed the weight of the pack. Even as I sweated on my back the pack would absorb it and let it be evaporated.

On a negative note if there has to be one, the packs empty weight is pretty heavy but that is to be sort of expected with a pack this size. Also, the way the nylon webbing is stitched to the shoulder straps tends to be a problem with rubbing on my upper arms unless I have the chest strap fastened. And last the cost seems to be a little high at MSRP $399.00, but in my opinion it is well worth the dollars.

A Personal Note

As I've hiked over the years I've gone through two packs before owning the Dana pack due to lack of comfort. My previous packs would bruise my hips and my shoulders and didn't allow freedom of movement because the suspension system in the packs was rigid. Since I've been hiking with the Dana pack I've had no problems in the comfort area because the pack is like an extension of my body. Keep in mind that the Dana pack is considered a custom fit pack and if you are thinking of purchasing one you should see a local outfitter to be sure that you get the fit exactly right. Your local outfitter will also explain how all the features of the Dana pack work and how you can get the best use out of your pack. If the Dana pack doesn't fit you properly it is because it is not adjusted properly.


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Graham Blamey
2004-06-06 08:20:44 UTC
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Hi John
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colonelcorn76
2004-06-15 03:30:42 UTC
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Hi John,
A credible first attempt. Please review my edits below. If as I noted,
you really only have 2 trips under your belt with this one, it would
be best if you put this aside for expansion after you've had a few
more trips in different conditions with it.

I've edited the full review anyway though so you can see the types of
edits that you'll want to look out for with your ORs. They should also
give you an idea of the kind of information that would help make this
review provide good useful information to our readers.

Do not be dismayed at the quantity/type of edits below. It's fairly
common for a first-timer. After you've done a couple of these you
shouldn't have a problem avoiding them in the future.

If you would like, BGT has several mentors available who can help you
with your reviews before you post them to the list so they're polished
and ready right out of the box. Just give a shout and one will be
assigned to you and will help you with crafting a really top-flight
review.

If you misspoke below about having only 2 trips, please provide some
additional detail on the other trips and address the rest of the edits
before reposting it to BGT with REPOST in the subject line.

Thanks again,
Jim
Edit Moderator
Post by xtremereality
Gear Review 1
### The correct title is "Owner Review"
Post by xtremereality
Dana Design - Alpine LTW ArcFlex
Name: John C. Muse
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Height: 5'11" (1.8 meters)
Weight: 170lbs (77 kilograms)
### A torso measurement is useful in a pack review as it helps size
the pack vs. mfg claims/specs.
Post by xtremereality
City, State, Country: Lafayette, LA, USA
Date: June 5, 2004
### Please change this date to June 15, 2004
Post by xtremereality
Backpacking Background: I've been backpacking for 8 years. I from
Lafayette, Louisiana, which is flat, humid, and full of mosquitoes. I

### "I am from"
Post by xtremereality
in California's Sierra Nevada's this summer. I am an experienced
### "Sierra Nevadas"
Post by xtremereality
backpacking guide with the majority of my hiking trips being with
groups, but I love when my wife and I can get out by ourselves.

### A brief mention of what kind of weight you typically carry is
helpful here --- something along the lines of "I usually carry x lbs
(y kg) for all but winter camping when I carry x+ lbs (y+ kg)."
Post by xtremereality
Product information
Manufacturer - Dana Design
Year of manufacture - 2002
URL - www.DanaDesign.com
### What kind of pack is it -- framed, frameless, internal frame,
external frame? Is it a bag type or does it have a front panel loading
system?
Post by xtremereality
Listed weight - 6lbs 7ounces (2.92 kilograms) for medium size pack
### You should separate the units & numbers to improve readability.
Also, if you abbreviate (e.g. lbs) then you should be consistent and
abbreviate everywhere (e.g. oz, kg).
Post by xtremereality
Weight as delivered. - Unknown because pack was delivered to a local
outfitter and was out of the box when I received the pack.

### What's it weigh now? We're not really concerned with how much it
weighs in it's packaging as we are with how much it weighs before you
fill it with gear.
### Need an MSRP here.
Post by xtremereality
for expedition to weekend adventures. (Dana Design website) The pack
comes in XS, S, M, L, XL. Medium pack capacity is 5000 cu. In. (82
Liters).

### "cu in" and "82 L" Also, the torso measurements for at least the
medium pack would help evaluate fit (for instance if they say a medium
is good for 15-21 in torsos but you find that it fits your 22 in torso
well with remaining adjustability).
Post by xtremereality
Field information
The pack test was conducted on two different trips to Colorado. In
### This isn't much experience to evaluate a pack on. We prefer to see
reviews of gear where you've had substantial experience in a variety
of conditions. In the case of a pack, that would be different trail
mileages, weather, trail conditions, seasons, and trip lengths. If
this is really all you've used this pack on in the past 2 years (mfg
date: 2002), you should save this review to add to after a few more
trips and then resubmit it.
Post by xtremereality
Colorado both test were conducted on the same trail but going in
### "tests"
Post by xtremereality
opposite directions in separate summers. The trail is located in the
Weminuchee Wilderness in the Durango/Silverton area. I hiked a 60 mile

### Need metric conversion here
Post by xtremereality
with elevations along the trail going from 7000ft. (2134meters) to
12,500ft. (3810meters). While on the trail I encountered rain, snow,

### Space between numbers & units. No period is necessary after unit
abbreviations. Use consistent units -- either abbreviated or not but
pick one.
Post by xtremereality
hail, as well as days of great weather. The temperature during the
day at elevations above 10,000ft. (3048meters) was comfortable enough

### Space between numbers & units. No period is necessary after unit
abbreviations. Use consistent units -- either abbreviated or not but
pick one.
Post by xtremereality
for a midweight long sleeve top and midweight bottoms except when the
weather would go sour and then more layers would come on. Below
10,000ft. (3048meters) the temperature was warm enough to wear shorts
and a t-shirt until the sun went down.

### Space between numbers & units. No period is necessary after unit
abbreviations. Use consistent units -- either abbreviated or not but
pick one. Also, real temperatures (even ranges) are better here than
"comfortable" as that is a subjective term that changes by hiker. For
instance I know plenty of folks who find hiking in shorts in the snow
comfortable. I almost always have a silk layer under everything even
in summer. It shouldn't be hard to find the real temps (or ranges)
based on a review of weather records or the almanac from the
appropriate year.
Post by xtremereality
The packs performance on the trail was what I expected it would be -
### "pack's performance"
Post by xtremereality
Awesome! On the trail my pack weighed between 40lbs (18.14kilograms)
and 55lbs (24.95kilograms) depending on whether or not I was having to


### Space between numbers & units. Use consistent units -- either
abbreviated or not but pick one. Also, you can round the conversions
to something meaningful -- 25 kg is close enough for a conversion from
55 lbs.
Post by xtremereality
carry any gear for any of the students. As with any hike the first
few days are when my pack is the heaviest and lightens up as the days
go buy due to eaten food. Also the first few days are usually

### "go by" ... Any idea how much food you carried at the start? How
much you ate each day? That will give the reader a good idea of the
rate at which your pack "lightened".
Post by xtremereality
susceptible to minor pack adjustments especially with a new pack. I
was pleased to find that with the diversity of changes within the pack
over the duration of the hike that the outside adjustments never
budged. I give credit of the adjustments to my local outfitter who
took the time to make sure that the pack was adjusted perfectly for my
body.

### What kind of adjustments are there? Load lifters? Hip snuggers?
Torso length? Compression straps? How did these all work? Any issues
with buckles, straps, seams, etc.? How about water resistance? What's
it made of - cordura, nylon, kevlar? Is there a sternum strap? How's
it work? What kind of pockets does it have? Are there side pockets for
water bottles? Do they allow you to grab your water while you're
hiking? Is there a water bladder pocket? Any info on the type,
thickness, width, etc. of the shoulder straps? How about the same for
the waistbelt? Is there a hang/grab loop? Ice axe loops? Loops for
carrying trekking poles? Any daisy chain? How's it work? Rather than
just generalities, we'd like to see specific experience with specific
features.
Post by xtremereality
Some neat features on this pack that cater to the ever changing
loads within the pack are the beaver tail shovit and the collapsible

### Describe what a "beaver tail shovit" is for the less informed readers.
Post by xtremereality
sleeping bag compartment as well as the removable lid/day pack, which
### What kind of specific information do you have on this feature --
like type of waist belt, capacity, material...
Post by xtremereality
comes in handy once I get to camp and want to day hike around the
area. By collapsing my sleeping bag compartment I can change the way

### How do you do this?
Post by xtremereality
going to have to carry some of another students gear which makes
### "student's gear"
Post by xtremereality
expanding the collapsed sleeping bag compartment very useful and if I
really have to get crazy with adding students gear the beaver tail

### "student's gear"
Post by xtremereality
On the trail as I encountered the different weather elements that
Mother Nature thru at me, I simply would stop hiking and throw my Dana

### "threw"
Post by xtremereality
Design pack cover on my pack and a few more layers on my body and
### What's the cover material made of? Does it cover the whole pack?
Do the straps feed through some holes in the cover or is it just a
"box" that goes over the front/side of the pack leaving the back
uncovered & next to your back?
Post by xtremereality
continue on my hike to that days destination. The different weather
### "day's"
Post by xtremereality
elements never affected the way the pack performed due to the pack
cover. If on the other hand I would have let the pack get soaking wet

### How do you know? Is the material not water resistant/proof? Are
the seams sealed? Did you ever have it get wet without the cover?
Post by xtremereality
it would have significantly changed the weight of the pack. Even as
I sweated on my back the pack would absorb it and let it be evaporated.

### How does this work? Is there wicking material between your back &
the pack body? Is it an external frame with space between your back &
the pack for airflow? Does it evaporate through the body of the pack
since the other side is against your sweaty back?
Post by xtremereality
On a negative note if there has to be one, the packs empty weight is
### "pack's"
Post by xtremereality
pretty heavy but that is to be sort of expected with a pack this
size. Also, the way the nylon webbing is stitched to the shoulder
straps tends to be a problem with rubbing on my upper arms unless I

### Why? Is it the material? Is it attached at an odd angle? Are they
too short? Do they not have some adjustability that you need?
Post by xtremereality
have the chest strap fastened. And last the cost seems to be a little
high at MSRP $399.00, but in my opinion it is well worth the dollars.

### "at an MSRP"
Post by xtremereality
A Personal Note
As I've hiked over the years I've gone through two packs before
owning the Dana pack due to lack of comfort. My previous packs would

### If this is your latest pack, how is it that you've only gotten 2
trips in over the past 2 years as a regular backpacker & backpacking
guide?

bruise my hips and my shoulders and didn't allow freedom of movement
because the suspension system in the packs was rigid. Since I've been
hiking with the Dana pack I've had no problems in the comfort area
because the pack is like an extension of my body. Keep in mind that
the Dana pack is considered a custom fit pack and if you are thinking
of purchasing one you should see a local outfitter to be sure that you
get the fit exactly right. Your local outfitter will also explain how
all the features of the Dana pack work and how you can get the best
use out of your pack. If the Dana pack doesn't fit you properly it is
because it is not adjusted properly.

### Reword this entire paragraph to eliminate the projection. Refrain
from "you/your/yours" and you'll be more likely to avoid it.





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