freehamlin
2004-02-27 22:12:42 UTC
Well, here I go with my second review. This time it's a stove. I've
checked the review closely and hopefully this time I didn't fall into
the trap of projecting.
Happy reading,
Luke
_______________________________________________________
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Owner Review- Coleman Apex II Dual-Fuel Exponent Stove
Biography
Name: Luke Middleton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Height: 6'0" (182 cm)
Weight: 160 lb (73 kg)
Email address: lukez @ kualumni.org
City, State, Country: Lawrence, Kansas, U.S.
Date: 18 February 2004
Backpacking Background: I've been camping for longer than I can
remember (which some days, isn't very long), but I probably began
backpacking about 15 years ago when I became a teenager. During that
time I've camped in quite a variety of conditions, but in the more
recent years I've remained mostly in the Midwest, taking short
weekend trips several times a year, and a longer excursion in
Colorado about once a year. As a backpacker I probably can not be
considered one who packs light. For example, I once strapped my very
heavy feather pillow to my pack for an extended trip in the Rockies.
My aging body no longer allows such extreme extravagances, but still,
my goal on a packing trip is comfort. If that means toughing it out
on the trail with a pack a bit heavier than absolutely necessary, so
be it. I'll reap the rewards in camp, whether it be from a softer bed
and better rest or from a more tasty meal. This isn't to say I strap
on weight willy-nilly, but I'm also not going to be drilling holes in
my toothbrush handle or cutting off the bon-bon on top of my ski cap.
Product Information
Manufacturer: Coleman (under the Peak1 label)
Year of manufacture: 2000
Web Site: http://www.coleman.com/coleman/home.asp
Listed weight: Without fuel: 18.4 oz (522 g)
With fuel: 35 oz (992 g)
Weight as tested Empty fuel bottle: 4 oz (113 g)
on my kitchen scale: Fuel pump: 4 oz (113 g)
Stove: 10 oz (283 g)
Listed Burn Time: 2.1 hours on 16 oz (0.47 L) of fuel
Listed Average Boil Time: 4 minutes for 32 oz (1 qt) of water
MSRP: $64.99 USD
Review
I've had this stove for nearly four years now and have probably used
it on close to two-dozen trips. I've backpacked this thing near and
far, used it in the summer and in the snow on a below-freezing night,
and in the prairies of Kansas all the way up to approximately 10,000
ft (3,000 m) elevation in the mountains. I may as well say at the
beginning that I love this stove and am excited about finally writing
a review on it, but I will nevertheless strive to be critically-
minded.
The stove comes in a very nice cardboard box with a shiny red 22 oz
(0.65 L) fuel bottle and the combination fuel pump/attachment hose. I
elected to purchase the optional Maintenance Kit as well as the
Service Parts Kit, which includes spare O-rings and other items that
might wear out or easily become lost. I've not needed to avail myself
to either of these since I've owned the stove, but I guess it doesn't
hurt to have them.
As for the stove itself: it is unlike any other stove I have seen in
the stores and magazines. It has its heritage in the old-style (yet
sill widely available) Coleman backpacking stoves, and yet possesses
several features found in the newer featherweight stoves that are so
popular now (light weight and external fuel tank). What it shares
with the old style Coleman stoves (the ones with the built-on fuel
tank) is the robust burner assembly: the Apex II burner is stout and
relatively wide at 4.5 in (11.4 cm) in diameter, and with five
lateral spokes for the pot to rest on, it offers a very stable
platform. But unlike the old-style Coleman stoves, this burner
assembly is screwed on to a very lightweight aluminum stand,
underneath which are three foldout "feet" or foot-pads. These look
remarkably like those on Buzz Aldrin's lunar lander. The footprint of
this stove with the feet extended is just over 7 inches (17.8 cm) in
diameter, which in my experience is about the widest of any
backpacking stove I have examined. A very slick and useful touch can
be found on one of the foot-pads, which is outfitted with an
adjustment screw. By pushing that foot downward and locking it in
place with the screw, I can cause the stove to sit perfectly level
even though the feet might be resting on an uneven surface. This
makes what is already an otherwise stable stove even more so.
The pump assembly screws into any Coleman/Peak1 fuel bottle, but as I
mentioned, a 22 oz (0.65 L) bottle is included. Since I can only fill
the bottle 2/3 full in order to leave air for the pressure pump, the
amount of fuel I can actually put in this bottle is about 16 oz (0.47
L). However, on longer trips I carry an extra fuel bottle that I can
fill to the brim if I want.
The fuel pump consists of the pump itself as well as the On/Off valve
for the fuel. Since this valve is located on the pump it allows me to
pressurize the fuel bottle even if it isn't attached to the stove,
and it will maintain pressure without spewing gas out the hose. This
hose extends from the pump and is sheathed in a very durable aluminum
braid. The hose attaches to the stove at the hose inlet. When not
attached, there is a plastic cap which covers the end of the hose to
keep it clean. The plastic cap, however, serves more than just one
purpose. It is the second very nifty feature of this stove:
On the stove itself, as mentioned, is the hose inlet. When the pump
hose is not attached, there is an aluminum insert or plug which fits
into the inlet to keep dirt or other contaminants out. It's fairly
difficult to push in and requires equal effort to pull out, but I've
always considered that a good thing, because I wouldn't want the plug
to accidentally fall out and get lost (a spare plug is included in
the aforementioned Service Parts Kit). This protective plug is the
only loose piece that could conceivably be lost on the entire stove.
But on removing this plug from the inlet and inserting the pump hose
into the stove I found that the protective hose cap also serves as a
keeper for the plug which is now lying loose. The plug fits very
snugly into the plastic hose cap, which is attached to the hose with
a sliding ring so that it can't fall off. What's more, at the base of
the pump assembly is a small receptacle into which the hose cap fits,
keeping it and the inlet plug away from the stove and pointing in a
direction where it can't be damaged while I pump away at the bottle
(which for me, typically involves getting the bottle all scraped up
on whatever rock it is I've propped it against).
Operating the stove is not complicated at all. First I have to lay
the fuel bottle with pump on its side, it can't be pumped vertically.
I then pump about 50 strokes. Whether I do this with the hose
attached to the stove yet or not doesn't matter, and often I choose
to attach it afterwards because the stove can get in the way. After
pumping and attaching the hose to the stove, I turn the burner
adjustment valve on the stove to "High," and next, turn the fuel pump
valve one full turn counterclockwise (that's the On direction). I
then typically use a match to light the stove. These instructions are
printed in detail on the side of the Peak1 fuel bottle, so if I ever
forget them it's no worry.
Once lit the instructions say to let the stove warm up for about a
minute. During this time the flames from my stove are yellow and can
shoot up several inches. After about a minute, however, the
preheating tube which the fuel flows through heats up sufficiently to
completely vaporize the fuel, and the flames begin to make a much
smoother and high pitched (but not loud) hissing sound. At that point
the flame turn a bright blue and retreat down into the burner, and at
that point the instructions say to pump the fuel bottle another 25
strokes. I often do a bit more than this to really get the stove
going.
I've never had a problem with the stove lighting, even when I've used
it in sub-freezing temperatures. In those instances it might have
taken the stove a bit longer to warm up, but once it did it ran as
usual. I've never needed to use heat paste or any other extra
procedure to get it going.
Although the stove is named "Dual-Fuel," technically it accepts three
types of fuel: unleaded gasoline, white gas, and kerosene. However,
to burn kerosene the stove will need an optional kerosene generator,
which I didn't buy. It cost about $10 but I didn't think I'd ever
need it, and so far I haven't. White gas and unleaded, on the other
hand, will work with the stove as it comes and without modification.
Personally I always use Coleman Fuel, and if I understand correctly,
Coleman Fuel is essentially unleaded gasoline.
In operation the stove is a pleasure to use. Coleman states the stove
will run for 2.1 hours on 16 oz (0.47 L) of fuel, and although I've
never let my stove run until the fuel bottle was completely empty,
their claim is probably an understatement. On my last trip I kept
close track and found that I ran my stove on High for an hour and
twenty minutes and used roughly half of the fuel in the bottle; or in
other words, 8 oz (0.24 L). On a recent four day trip at 10,000 ft
(3,000 m) altitude in Colorado, my partner and I used the stove twice
a day (coffee and oatmeal for breakfast, then pasta or stew for
dinner) for a likely total of close to four hours, and we didn't burn
more than 24 oz (0.71 L) of fuel.
The flame adjustment valve on the stove is easy to turn and sticks
out far enough that I don't feel like I'm going to burn my fingers
off to change the heat setting (it also folds slightly so that when I
pack the stove it doesn't get bent or damaged). The flame can be
adjusted through quite a range of operation, though it seems to vary
more at the high end than the low. Right when I get the flame
adjustment to the very lowest setting the flame seems to drop down a
notch or two, so that there's an area between the lowest setting and
medium that the flame just skips. Still, at the lowest setting the
flame remains steady without any tendency to go out, and in my
experience the low setting is just about perfect for keeping the
coffee hot or the pot of pasta simmering.
Occasionally when I run the stove for an extended period of time
(times approaching an hour), the flame becomes less intense and I'll
need to pump the fuel bottle a bit to get it back up to full power.
This is where I think the designers could have made a slight
improvement. The fuel hose that connects the fuel bottle to the stove
is only about 5 in (12.7 cm) long. The pumping action can become
quite vigorous, and with such a short hose length, I feel like I run
the risk of jerking the stove and tipping over my pot full of
steaming food: sure to make the critters happy, but not me. To avoid
this very thing I always take the pot off the stove and set it down
on a nearby rock while I pump the fuel bottle back up. That's fine,
but there's not always a convenient rock nearby to place a hot pot of
food, and I'm not usually keen about setting it down in the mud. In
fact, the instructions somewhat humorously caution that I should
always keep the fuel bottle at least 5 in (12.7 cm) away from the
stove, when in fact it couldn't be kept any further away if I wanted
it to. There's been many a time when looking at my stove piping away
it's seemed to me that the design keeps the bottle tethered awfully
close to the flame, though to perfectly honest I must say I've never
had a problem with the flame heating up the fuel bottle.
Coleman states that the average time-to-boil for 1 qt (32 oz) of
water is 4 minutes. I think this bears out pretty well, so long as
I'm near ocean level, not at altitude. I have a 6-cup coffee pot that
I routinely use on my stove, which equates to about 1.5 qt (1.4 L). I
can easily have the water boiling in five or six minutes, even when
starting off with cold water on a brisk, fall morning.
The stove, as I've mentioned, is very durably constructed, and it
also seems to be resistant to the elements. Several times I'll leave
the stove out and exposed for the night, and although it has been
rained on occasionally as a consequence, its never seemed to be any
the worse for it. In fact, because of that observation I've recently
not been averse to swishing the stove around in a stream or scrubbing
it with water in the mornings before I pack it up if, during the
previous evening, it got muddy or food was spilled on it. I only do
this to the stove itself; never with the fuel bottle attached.
Although this probably isn't something the manufacturer would
recommend, I've never noticed it to cause the stove any harm. It
appears that it's made entirely of aluminum alloys which aren't
susceptible to rusting.
I purchased the Peak1 stove stuff-sack to store this stove in. It's a
very lightweight, padded nylon sack. I've been glad to have it and it
works very well, though it apparently isn't cut to fit this stove
exactly: it's about half again as big. The padded sack not only
protects my stove while packed, but it also protects the non-stick
coating of my pots, inside of which I keep my stove when backpacking.
With the foot pads folded back, the stove takes the shape of a 4.75
in (12.1 cm) cylinder, 3 in (7.6 cm) tall. This is small enough to
fit in any pot, and makes packing easy. The fuel bottle is as easy to
pack as any other sort of bottle I might carry, though I usually put
mine in a plastic bag: not so much because I'm afraid it will leak,
but just because I don't want my pack smelling like fuel fumes.
Summary
The Coleman Apex II Dual-Fuel Exponent stove is a very reliable,
durable, and stable stove. In the four years I've been using it I've
never had it fail to light or in any other way present me with
problems. Although it isn't as light or as small as some of the newer
fancy stoves, my personal feeling is that it makes up for this by
offering a more stable base for cooking. And even if it is slightly
heavier than some stoves, at only 10 oz (283 g) for the stove itself,
it could never be called heavy.
Things I like:
1. Nifty features like level-adjustable foot pads and a well thought-
out method of making sure the protective cap and plug don't get lost
2. Stability when cooking
3. Absolute dependability
Things that could be improved:
1. Fuel hose length could be made longer, to make pumping with stove
attached less tenuous
2. Flame adjustment could be a bit more precise
3. Stuff sack sold separately: it could easily be provided as
standard with the stove
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checked the review closely and hopefully this time I didn't fall into
the trap of projecting.
Happy reading,
Luke
_______________________________________________________
*******************************************************
Owner Review- Coleman Apex II Dual-Fuel Exponent Stove
Biography
Name: Luke Middleton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Height: 6'0" (182 cm)
Weight: 160 lb (73 kg)
Email address: lukez @ kualumni.org
City, State, Country: Lawrence, Kansas, U.S.
Date: 18 February 2004
Backpacking Background: I've been camping for longer than I can
remember (which some days, isn't very long), but I probably began
backpacking about 15 years ago when I became a teenager. During that
time I've camped in quite a variety of conditions, but in the more
recent years I've remained mostly in the Midwest, taking short
weekend trips several times a year, and a longer excursion in
Colorado about once a year. As a backpacker I probably can not be
considered one who packs light. For example, I once strapped my very
heavy feather pillow to my pack for an extended trip in the Rockies.
My aging body no longer allows such extreme extravagances, but still,
my goal on a packing trip is comfort. If that means toughing it out
on the trail with a pack a bit heavier than absolutely necessary, so
be it. I'll reap the rewards in camp, whether it be from a softer bed
and better rest or from a more tasty meal. This isn't to say I strap
on weight willy-nilly, but I'm also not going to be drilling holes in
my toothbrush handle or cutting off the bon-bon on top of my ski cap.
Product Information
Manufacturer: Coleman (under the Peak1 label)
Year of manufacture: 2000
Web Site: http://www.coleman.com/coleman/home.asp
Listed weight: Without fuel: 18.4 oz (522 g)
With fuel: 35 oz (992 g)
Weight as tested Empty fuel bottle: 4 oz (113 g)
on my kitchen scale: Fuel pump: 4 oz (113 g)
Stove: 10 oz (283 g)
Listed Burn Time: 2.1 hours on 16 oz (0.47 L) of fuel
Listed Average Boil Time: 4 minutes for 32 oz (1 qt) of water
MSRP: $64.99 USD
Review
I've had this stove for nearly four years now and have probably used
it on close to two-dozen trips. I've backpacked this thing near and
far, used it in the summer and in the snow on a below-freezing night,
and in the prairies of Kansas all the way up to approximately 10,000
ft (3,000 m) elevation in the mountains. I may as well say at the
beginning that I love this stove and am excited about finally writing
a review on it, but I will nevertheless strive to be critically-
minded.
The stove comes in a very nice cardboard box with a shiny red 22 oz
(0.65 L) fuel bottle and the combination fuel pump/attachment hose. I
elected to purchase the optional Maintenance Kit as well as the
Service Parts Kit, which includes spare O-rings and other items that
might wear out or easily become lost. I've not needed to avail myself
to either of these since I've owned the stove, but I guess it doesn't
hurt to have them.
As for the stove itself: it is unlike any other stove I have seen in
the stores and magazines. It has its heritage in the old-style (yet
sill widely available) Coleman backpacking stoves, and yet possesses
several features found in the newer featherweight stoves that are so
popular now (light weight and external fuel tank). What it shares
with the old style Coleman stoves (the ones with the built-on fuel
tank) is the robust burner assembly: the Apex II burner is stout and
relatively wide at 4.5 in (11.4 cm) in diameter, and with five
lateral spokes for the pot to rest on, it offers a very stable
platform. But unlike the old-style Coleman stoves, this burner
assembly is screwed on to a very lightweight aluminum stand,
underneath which are three foldout "feet" or foot-pads. These look
remarkably like those on Buzz Aldrin's lunar lander. The footprint of
this stove with the feet extended is just over 7 inches (17.8 cm) in
diameter, which in my experience is about the widest of any
backpacking stove I have examined. A very slick and useful touch can
be found on one of the foot-pads, which is outfitted with an
adjustment screw. By pushing that foot downward and locking it in
place with the screw, I can cause the stove to sit perfectly level
even though the feet might be resting on an uneven surface. This
makes what is already an otherwise stable stove even more so.
The pump assembly screws into any Coleman/Peak1 fuel bottle, but as I
mentioned, a 22 oz (0.65 L) bottle is included. Since I can only fill
the bottle 2/3 full in order to leave air for the pressure pump, the
amount of fuel I can actually put in this bottle is about 16 oz (0.47
L). However, on longer trips I carry an extra fuel bottle that I can
fill to the brim if I want.
The fuel pump consists of the pump itself as well as the On/Off valve
for the fuel. Since this valve is located on the pump it allows me to
pressurize the fuel bottle even if it isn't attached to the stove,
and it will maintain pressure without spewing gas out the hose. This
hose extends from the pump and is sheathed in a very durable aluminum
braid. The hose attaches to the stove at the hose inlet. When not
attached, there is a plastic cap which covers the end of the hose to
keep it clean. The plastic cap, however, serves more than just one
purpose. It is the second very nifty feature of this stove:
On the stove itself, as mentioned, is the hose inlet. When the pump
hose is not attached, there is an aluminum insert or plug which fits
into the inlet to keep dirt or other contaminants out. It's fairly
difficult to push in and requires equal effort to pull out, but I've
always considered that a good thing, because I wouldn't want the plug
to accidentally fall out and get lost (a spare plug is included in
the aforementioned Service Parts Kit). This protective plug is the
only loose piece that could conceivably be lost on the entire stove.
But on removing this plug from the inlet and inserting the pump hose
into the stove I found that the protective hose cap also serves as a
keeper for the plug which is now lying loose. The plug fits very
snugly into the plastic hose cap, which is attached to the hose with
a sliding ring so that it can't fall off. What's more, at the base of
the pump assembly is a small receptacle into which the hose cap fits,
keeping it and the inlet plug away from the stove and pointing in a
direction where it can't be damaged while I pump away at the bottle
(which for me, typically involves getting the bottle all scraped up
on whatever rock it is I've propped it against).
Operating the stove is not complicated at all. First I have to lay
the fuel bottle with pump on its side, it can't be pumped vertically.
I then pump about 50 strokes. Whether I do this with the hose
attached to the stove yet or not doesn't matter, and often I choose
to attach it afterwards because the stove can get in the way. After
pumping and attaching the hose to the stove, I turn the burner
adjustment valve on the stove to "High," and next, turn the fuel pump
valve one full turn counterclockwise (that's the On direction). I
then typically use a match to light the stove. These instructions are
printed in detail on the side of the Peak1 fuel bottle, so if I ever
forget them it's no worry.
Once lit the instructions say to let the stove warm up for about a
minute. During this time the flames from my stove are yellow and can
shoot up several inches. After about a minute, however, the
preheating tube which the fuel flows through heats up sufficiently to
completely vaporize the fuel, and the flames begin to make a much
smoother and high pitched (but not loud) hissing sound. At that point
the flame turn a bright blue and retreat down into the burner, and at
that point the instructions say to pump the fuel bottle another 25
strokes. I often do a bit more than this to really get the stove
going.
I've never had a problem with the stove lighting, even when I've used
it in sub-freezing temperatures. In those instances it might have
taken the stove a bit longer to warm up, but once it did it ran as
usual. I've never needed to use heat paste or any other extra
procedure to get it going.
Although the stove is named "Dual-Fuel," technically it accepts three
types of fuel: unleaded gasoline, white gas, and kerosene. However,
to burn kerosene the stove will need an optional kerosene generator,
which I didn't buy. It cost about $10 but I didn't think I'd ever
need it, and so far I haven't. White gas and unleaded, on the other
hand, will work with the stove as it comes and without modification.
Personally I always use Coleman Fuel, and if I understand correctly,
Coleman Fuel is essentially unleaded gasoline.
In operation the stove is a pleasure to use. Coleman states the stove
will run for 2.1 hours on 16 oz (0.47 L) of fuel, and although I've
never let my stove run until the fuel bottle was completely empty,
their claim is probably an understatement. On my last trip I kept
close track and found that I ran my stove on High for an hour and
twenty minutes and used roughly half of the fuel in the bottle; or in
other words, 8 oz (0.24 L). On a recent four day trip at 10,000 ft
(3,000 m) altitude in Colorado, my partner and I used the stove twice
a day (coffee and oatmeal for breakfast, then pasta or stew for
dinner) for a likely total of close to four hours, and we didn't burn
more than 24 oz (0.71 L) of fuel.
The flame adjustment valve on the stove is easy to turn and sticks
out far enough that I don't feel like I'm going to burn my fingers
off to change the heat setting (it also folds slightly so that when I
pack the stove it doesn't get bent or damaged). The flame can be
adjusted through quite a range of operation, though it seems to vary
more at the high end than the low. Right when I get the flame
adjustment to the very lowest setting the flame seems to drop down a
notch or two, so that there's an area between the lowest setting and
medium that the flame just skips. Still, at the lowest setting the
flame remains steady without any tendency to go out, and in my
experience the low setting is just about perfect for keeping the
coffee hot or the pot of pasta simmering.
Occasionally when I run the stove for an extended period of time
(times approaching an hour), the flame becomes less intense and I'll
need to pump the fuel bottle a bit to get it back up to full power.
This is where I think the designers could have made a slight
improvement. The fuel hose that connects the fuel bottle to the stove
is only about 5 in (12.7 cm) long. The pumping action can become
quite vigorous, and with such a short hose length, I feel like I run
the risk of jerking the stove and tipping over my pot full of
steaming food: sure to make the critters happy, but not me. To avoid
this very thing I always take the pot off the stove and set it down
on a nearby rock while I pump the fuel bottle back up. That's fine,
but there's not always a convenient rock nearby to place a hot pot of
food, and I'm not usually keen about setting it down in the mud. In
fact, the instructions somewhat humorously caution that I should
always keep the fuel bottle at least 5 in (12.7 cm) away from the
stove, when in fact it couldn't be kept any further away if I wanted
it to. There's been many a time when looking at my stove piping away
it's seemed to me that the design keeps the bottle tethered awfully
close to the flame, though to perfectly honest I must say I've never
had a problem with the flame heating up the fuel bottle.
Coleman states that the average time-to-boil for 1 qt (32 oz) of
water is 4 minutes. I think this bears out pretty well, so long as
I'm near ocean level, not at altitude. I have a 6-cup coffee pot that
I routinely use on my stove, which equates to about 1.5 qt (1.4 L). I
can easily have the water boiling in five or six minutes, even when
starting off with cold water on a brisk, fall morning.
The stove, as I've mentioned, is very durably constructed, and it
also seems to be resistant to the elements. Several times I'll leave
the stove out and exposed for the night, and although it has been
rained on occasionally as a consequence, its never seemed to be any
the worse for it. In fact, because of that observation I've recently
not been averse to swishing the stove around in a stream or scrubbing
it with water in the mornings before I pack it up if, during the
previous evening, it got muddy or food was spilled on it. I only do
this to the stove itself; never with the fuel bottle attached.
Although this probably isn't something the manufacturer would
recommend, I've never noticed it to cause the stove any harm. It
appears that it's made entirely of aluminum alloys which aren't
susceptible to rusting.
I purchased the Peak1 stove stuff-sack to store this stove in. It's a
very lightweight, padded nylon sack. I've been glad to have it and it
works very well, though it apparently isn't cut to fit this stove
exactly: it's about half again as big. The padded sack not only
protects my stove while packed, but it also protects the non-stick
coating of my pots, inside of which I keep my stove when backpacking.
With the foot pads folded back, the stove takes the shape of a 4.75
in (12.1 cm) cylinder, 3 in (7.6 cm) tall. This is small enough to
fit in any pot, and makes packing easy. The fuel bottle is as easy to
pack as any other sort of bottle I might carry, though I usually put
mine in a plastic bag: not so much because I'm afraid it will leak,
but just because I don't want my pack smelling like fuel fumes.
Summary
The Coleman Apex II Dual-Fuel Exponent stove is a very reliable,
durable, and stable stove. In the four years I've been using it I've
never had it fail to light or in any other way present me with
problems. Although it isn't as light or as small as some of the newer
fancy stoves, my personal feeling is that it makes up for this by
offering a more stable base for cooking. And even if it is slightly
heavier than some stoves, at only 10 oz (283 g) for the stove itself,
it could never be called heavy.
Things I like:
1. Nifty features like level-adjustable foot pads and a well thought-
out method of making sure the protective cap and plug don't get lost
2. Stability when cooking
3. Absolute dependability
Things that could be improved:
1. Fuel hose length could be made longer, to make pumping with stove
attached less tenuous
2. Flame adjustment could be a bit more precise
3. Stuff sack sold separately: it could easily be provided as
standard with the stove
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