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Owner Review-Ted-Mont Bell O.D. Paper Roll
edwardripleyduggan
2006-06-07 14:32:42 UTC
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I realize that it is an age since I did an owner review. This is not
the one I had in mind (which will arrive in due course) but I thought
it was a useful one. And no, this is not a joke! HTML is at

http://tinyurl.com/grsym


Owner Review: Mont Bell O.D. Paper Roll

Report Date: June 7, 2006


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Reviewer Background
Product information in brief
Website
Introduction
Features and Design
Field Performance
Summary




Reviewer Background

I enjoy walking in all its manifold forms, from a simple stroll in
the woods to multi-day backpack excursions. Though by no means an
extreme ultra-light enthusiast, from spring to fall my preference is
to carry a pack weight (before food and water) of 12 lb (5.5 kg), more
or less. In recent years, I've rapidly moved to a philosophy of
"lighter is better," within the constraints of budget and common sense.




Reviewer Information

* Name: Edward Ripley-Duggan
* Age: 52
* Gender: Male
* Height: 6' 1" (1.85 m)
* Weight: 215 pounds (98 kg)
* erd-h8khq+VpLFmsTnJN9+***@public.gmane.org
* Catskills, New York State



Product information in brief

* Manufacturer: Mont Bell
* URL: http://www.montbell.com
* Product: Toilet paper
* Year of manufacture: 2005
* MSRP: $3 US
* Manufacturer's stated weight: n/a
* Measured weight (analog scale): 4 oz (115 g)
* Measured sheet width: 4 in (10 cm)
* Measured roll diameter: 3 in (8 cm)
* Color: cream



Website

Mont Bell (also listed variously on their website and elsewhere as
MontBell and Montbell) is a Japanese gear manufacturer with a U.S.
presence via their Boulder store and catalogue. Their English language
website is well designed and easily searched.


Introduction

Japan has a long and superlative papermaking tradition. Mont
Bell's toilet paper may be an unusual manifestation of that country's
fascination with paper, but it's certainly a useful one. The problem
it addresses is that "leave no trace" philosophy dictates that I
should use alternatives to paper for hygiene (e.g. leaves, rocks, snow
etc.), but, practically speaking, there are many occasions when these
materials are not available or simply won't do the job. While regular
commercial toilet paper has its occasional place outdoors, it is not
very biodegradable (if buried, depending on the soil, it is known that
it may take years to break down, and in some settings will never
decompose). Therefore, it should be either burned (with extreme care,
potentially creating a danger of fire) or must be carried out. While
on a day hike, or even a backpack of a couple of days, this may be an
acceptable solution, carrying used TP for a long haul is a nasty
business. Mont Bell's O.D. Paper Roll is one solution to this quandary.

Features and design

Image courtesy of Mont Bell

When I first saw the Mont Bell O. D. Paper Roll, I was immediately
impressed at how light and thin the paper was, yet how surprisingly
strong. There's no cardboard core to the roll, which saves both weight
and waste, and the only wrapping is a paper sheath that can be
discarded pre-trip. The paper is unperforated, i.e. the roll is a
continuous sheet, but (because it is such a gossamer-thin sheet)
sections are easily torn off. For short trips and for the emergency
bag, it's best to unroll a section of the main roll and keep it folded
in a Ziploc baggie. For longer trips, the entire roll may be hauled
along. I've been using it for well over a year, and the two rolls I
originally purchased have lasted very well. I still have one roll
remaining, after extensive use. Despite the price, it's pretty
economic stuff if used carefully.

Field Performance

I have used the O.D. Paper exclusively below treeline (about 4000
ft, 1220 m), primarily in the Catskills and Adirondacks, both summer
and winter, at temperatures between -10 F (-23 C) and 85 F (29 C),
rain and shine. When there's snow in the mountains in winter (not to
belabor the matter too much) I usually use the TP first, followed by
an application of balled snow. I have generally carried the waste
paper out regardless in a sealed bag, as much a result of habit as
anything else. However, I have on a few occasions had to leave it in
place, and am pleased to report that, unlike regular toilet paper
(which forms hideous, ugly festoons come thaw), there's no little or
sign of the O.D. Paper when I've wandered by the spot in the spring.

Placing the paper in water, I can see why this is. Unlike standard
American toilet paper, which retains its structural integrity almost
indefinitely, the O.D. Paper breaks down into small fibers quite
quickly. These fibers (simple cellulose from a plant source, I assume,
as is most paper), should decompose fairly rapidly. At the very least,
they will meld unobtrusively with the soil. I would not use this
product above treeline, where soils are thin or non-existent, or in
very dry environments. In such settings, usually carrying out is the
best procedure for both faeces and paper. I would also caution that
letting this paper get wet in storage will quickly render it useless
for the same reason. If I am carrying a roll, I store it with my hand
sanitizer, etc., in a tiny dry bag, otherwise I'll use a Ziploc as
previously noted.

I have found that often a single layer is not adequate enough for
good wiping, in which case it is better used doubled. It's soft enough
to be comfortable, certainly better than most leaves. I do wish it
were made slightly wider, as 4 in (10 cm) is close to the minimum
width for the job. Beforehand, I'll dig a six-inch cathole. After use,
I'll combine the paper with the faeces, using a stick, to accelerate
decomposition. In our rather damp climate, I would expect breakdown to
be rapid, although I have to admit that my intellectual curiosity has
not yet led me to unearth such a cache a few months later. There are
limits. I'll usually cover the cathole with duff or leaves after
having topped it with a rock, if available, to prevent animal
incursion. If I've done my job well there will be no sign that I've
been there.

While I'll freely admit that this brief review may appear slightly
comic (or disgusting, depending on outlook), there's nothing funny
about finding piles of toilet paper scattered around in wilderness
areas, which is a phenomenon I see far too often. If toilet paper must
be used and left, this is the paper to use.

Summary

The cardinal rule in wilderness travel is to leave things as they
are found. This toilet paper minimizes the impact of a necessary human
function and, used properly, facilitates a "leave no trace" approach.

Pro

* Lightweight but quite strong
* Quickly breaks down to fibres when wet
* Biodegradable

Con

* Sheet width a little narrow
* Must be kept dry (more so than most toilet paper)






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J***@public.gmane.org
2006-06-09 18:59:12 UTC
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In a message dated 6/7/2006 10:34:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
erd-h8khq+VpLFmsTnJN9+***@public.gmane.org writes:



I realize that it is an age since I did an owner review. This is not
the one I had in mind (which will arrive in due course) but I thought
it was a useful one. And no, this is not a joke! HTML is at

_http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/grsym)

Owner Review: Mont Bell O.D. Paper Roll




##########

Ted,

A surprisingly interesting and informative OR (given the topic!). I visited
the Montbell site but could find no reference to this product. Could you
perhaps provide a direct link?


Jim S.

Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of
the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"


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edwardripleyduggan
2006-06-09 23:13:52 UTC
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Thanks, Jim. Try

http://tinyurl.com/ju3rf

I'm not sure what O.D. stands for--it's an abbreviation used in many
of the Japanese product names. Somewhere I have their very tiny trowel
(I hope so, anyhow) but since I mislaid it a year ago I can't write a
report!

Ted.
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Ted,
A surprisingly interesting and informative OR (given the topic!). I visited
the Montbell site but could find no reference to this product. Could you
perhaps provide a direct link?
Jim S.
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Steven H. Miller
2006-06-10 18:04:44 UTC
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Perhaps "Out Door?"

SteveM
Post by edwardripleyduggan
http://tinyurl.com/ju3rf
I'm not sure what O.D. stands for--it's an abbreviation used in many
of the Japanese product names.
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J***@public.gmane.org
2006-06-10 01:46:34 UTC
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In a message dated 6/9/2006 7:15:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, erd-h8khq+VpLFmsTnJN9+***@public.gmane.org
writes:
Thanks, Jim. Try

http://tinyurl.com/ju3rf

I'm not sure what O.D. stands for--it's an abbreviation used in many
of the Japanese product names. Somewhere I have their very tiny trowel
(I hope so, anyhow) but since I mislaid it a year ago I can't write a
report!

Ted.
##########

Thanks, Ted.

I recently purchased the trowel, but have yet to use it in the field. I must
confess that it looks to be the ideal size for eating a large pot of chili-mac
rather than using it for its intended function!

Jim S.

"Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of
the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"


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edwardripleyduggan
2006-06-10 02:41:44 UTC
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Jim -- one doesn't want to mix the potty trowel up with the eating
irons <g>. Nasty, that. Yes, it is pretty tiny (probably why I can't
find it).

Ted.
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Thanks, Ted.
I recently purchased the trowel, but have yet to use it in the
field. I must
Post by J***@public.gmane.org
confess that it looks to be the ideal size for eating a large pot of chili-mac
rather than using it for its intended function!
Jim S.
"Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of
the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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colonelcorn76
2006-06-12 01:00:41 UTC
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Hi Ted,
Nice job. I've a few edits which once you've fixed you can upload to
BGT at the following URL:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Personal
Hygiene/Toiletries/Mont Bell O.D. Paper Roll/
OR
http://tinyurl.com/ge8g8
<<Use either link>>

Thanks again for the nice work on this,
Jim
Edit Moderator
Post by edwardripleyduggan
* MSRP: $3 US
### Is that per roll or for a two pack?
Post by edwardripleyduggan
* Color: cream
### Single or double-ply? Might be worth a mention here that it's
unperforated instead of waiting 'til further down.
Post by edwardripleyduggan
acceptable solution, carrying used TP for a long haul is a nasty
business. Mont Bell's O.D. Paper Roll is one solution to this
quandary.

### What's "O.D." stand for?
Post by edwardripleyduggan
discarded pre-trip. The paper is unperforated, i.e. the roll is a
continuous sheet, but (because it is such a gossamer-thin sheet)
sections are easily torn off. For short trips and for the emergency
### Does that make for any unpleasant leak through while using? Do
you use more to make up for the thinness?
Post by edwardripleyduggan
remaining, after extensive use. Despite the price, it's pretty
economic stuff if used carefully.
### "economical"
Post by edwardripleyduggan
place, and am pleased to report that, unlike regular toilet paper
(which forms hideous, ugly festoons come thaw), there's no little or
sign of the O.D. Paper when I've wandered by the spot in the
spring.
### [digression here: I was in Havusupai Canyon in the Grand Canyon
this spring and it was appallingly disgusting how much fecal matter
& TP was strewn about within feet - handfuls not hundreds - of the
trail or campsites. People can be real pigs. /end rant]
Post by edwardripleyduggan
to be comfortable, certainly better than most leaves. I do wish it
were made slightly wider, as 4 in (10 cm) is close to the minimum
### Interesting. The standard American roll width appears to be 4.5
in (Charmin, etc.).
Post by edwardripleyduggan
width for the job. Beforehand, I'll dig a six-inch cathole. After use,
### Metric conversion needed.







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edwardripleyduggan
2006-06-12 16:42:49 UTC
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I called MB. Travis, the guy who answered the phone didn't know, but
after some consultation says "probably outdoor" though he himself says
it seems mildly illogical.






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edwardripleyduggan
2006-06-12 16:28:04 UTC
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Thanks, Jim,

I have made all edits except for the meaning of O.D., which remains an
enigma. I'll phone them in a bit; it may be something Japanese, though
someone suggested "outdoor. This seems a tautology as it's attached to
a number of their products which are de facto outdoor.


Best,

Ted,








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