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Owner Review Gerber Guardian Back Up knife
rayestrella1
2005-11-01 01:14:48 UTC
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Hey guys, here is another OR. I have a copy with pics in the test OR
folder.

Ray

Gerber Guardian Back Up, fixed blade knife

Owner Review

Tester Information
Name: Raymond Estrella
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Height: 6' 3" (187.5 cm)
Weight: 200 lbs (90 kg)
Email address: rayestrella-***@public.gmane.org
City: Huntington Beach
State: California
Country: USA
Date: October 31, 2005

Backpacking Background:

I have been backpacking since I was 14 years old. My style of hiking
is to get up early, and hike hard for most the day. I put the miles
on, usually 15-18 miles a day.(24-29 k) I like to get to my days
destination early enough to enjoy the afternoon. Most of my hiking
is in the Sierras. I hike year `round, in all weather. I am making a
concerted effort to lighten weight everywhere I can. So far in 2005
I have logged 500 miles (800 km) with a pack on.

The product

Manufacturer: Gerber Legendary Blades (A division of Fiskar)
Web site: http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php?flash=1
Product: Guardian Back Up, fixed blade knife
Year made: 2005.
MSRP: Not listed on web site.
Weight listed: 3 oz (84 g) Actual weight 3.1 oz (87 g)
Overall length listed: 7.28" (182 mm) Actual length: 7.32" (183 mm)
Blade length listed: 3.41" (85 mm) Actual length: 3.45" (87 mm)
Knife alone weight: 1.8 oz (50.4 g)
Sheath alone weight: 1.3 oz (36.4 g)

It comes with a Limited Lifetime Warranty

Field Conditions

I got the Guardian on April 20, 2005 Since receiving it I have taken
it on every hike except a trip to Mount Shasta. I have logged 373
miles (597 km) with this knife on my backpack. I have hiked from
400' (120 m) to over 14000' (4200 m) elevations, in temps ranging
from over 100F (38C) by the Kern River, and down to 17F (-8C) on the
John Muir Trail. I have encountered extreme desert conditions, snow
and rain in the Sierra's, and beautiful days in Southern California.
I have been from as far south as Palm Springs, to as far north as
Tuolumne Meadows, in California.

Product description

The Guardian Back Up (hereafter referred to as the Guardian, or the
knife) is a double sided fixed blade knife. Here is a picture of the
knife and sheath.

The blade is made of High Carbon Stainless steel, and has been
blackened to make it non-reflective. Indeed the only shiny part of
the knife is the sharpened edges on either side of the blade. It is
a "3/4 tang blade", meaning that the blade continues three quarters
of the way to the end of the handle. With the use of a magnet I was
able to verify that this is the case. On one side of the blade is
the Gerber logo, and the words Portland OR beneath it. All are in
gold lettering.

The blade came in a very sharp state. And I have not had to sharpen
it yet. I have cut freeze-dried food packages, cheese, salami,
summer sausage, and moleskin with it. I have made tinder, and shaved
wood with it. I have cut rope, accessory cord, and webbing with it.
A couple of times I threw it into a tree trunk. (We were bored) It
has held up very well.

The black handle is constructed of "glass filled nylon" covered
with "Santoprene". It feels to be almost as soft as rubber, but more
durable. It does not get slippery, even with wet hands. It has held
up very well also. There are some scratches in the sheath, but no
marks of any kind on the handle.

The sheath is constructed from black molded plastic. It has the
Gerber logo molded into the front of it, and a metal clip on the
back. The clip can be used as a traditional belt loop, a boot
sheath, or an inverted hanging sheath. (More on that later.) On
either side of the sheath are two sliding tabs. The tabs lock onto
grooves on the side of the sheath. By sliding the tabs up towards
the open end of the sheath, it tightens the hold of the sheath on
the knife blade. This holds it more securely and necessitates more
force to pull the knife out of the sheath. By sliding the tabs down
towards the closed end of the sheath, it loosens the hold on the
blade, allowing it to come out easier.

At the very end of the sheath is a small lanyard hole measuring
3/16" (4 mm) across.

Conclusions

I started using this knife for a couple of reasons. First was it's
low weight. It is a lot of knife for such a light package. But my
main reason was the carrying options. While I am not afraid of our
California animals, a couple of mountain lion attacks caught my
attention this year because the animals attacked adults, and did not
want to break off the attack even when hit with rocks and sticks by
other people. I always carry a knife. Usually a Gerber EZ Out
Skeleton. But I started thinking about the Tekna whitewater knife
that I use when rafting or kayaking. It hangs with the handle down ,
from my whitewater vest. Allowing it to be drawn with either hand.
And because it is double edged, it is always ready to cut no matter
how you draw it. But it is heavy, and is hard to sharpen, and to
keep sharp.

When I saw that the Guardian could hang inverted and be adjusted to
easily draw with either hand, I figured my search was over. I slide
the sheath clip on to the cross strap on my backpack's left shoulder
strap. This allows me to remove it with no difficulty what so ever.
Here is a picture of it on a Mountainsmith pack.


It has never come out inadvertently. I have used it on 4 different
backpacks, all with the same good results. It stays on the pack most
of the time, and therefore takes its share of scrapes when I lean it
against rocks or it falls on the ground. It stays out when it rains,
and once took a dunking in a river. The blade shows no sign of rust.
But the clip on the sheath is showing some slight discoloration
where it touches my shoulder strap. I am sure that is from my sweat
soaking through the strap.

I am very happy with this knife. It will continue be my main knife
unless I have to use another as part of a gear test. In fact I would
probably carry both just to have the "any handed" capability of the
Guardian. Here is a picture of it in use in the Sierra's


Pros: Light weight, very good blade, multiple carrying options.

Cons: care must be taken to remember that it is double edged. Not as
safe as a single edged knife.






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chcoa
2005-11-04 06:21:40 UTC
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edwardripleyduggan
2005-11-10 14:40:18 UTC
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Hi Ray,

Thanks for the review. Sorry it's taken me a couple of days to get
around to it after plucking it from the queue. The HTML version looks
pretty good, though I'd like the title in a slightly larger (not huge)
size. I've noted a couple of issues with links below that will need
fixing. Otherwise, you are good to go after edit. Upload to

http://tinyurl.com/as9dd

BTW, that's one scary-looking ninja knife!

Best,

Ted.
Post by rayestrella1
Gerber Guardian Back Up, fixed blade knife
### EDIT: Guardian Back-Up fixed blade knife

NB: The hyphenation is as per the Gerber site.
Post by rayestrella1
Owner Review
### EDIT: Date here, remove from biographical information
Post by rayestrella1
Tester Information
Name: Raymond Estrella
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Height: 6' 3" (187.5 cm)
Weight: 200 lbs (90 kg)
City: Huntington Beach
State: California
Country: USA
Date: October 31, 2005
I have been backpacking since I was 14 years old. My style of hiking
is to get up early, and hike hard for most the day. I put the miles
on, usually 15-18 miles a day.(24-29 k)
### EDIT: (24-29 km)

I like to get to my days
Post by rayestrella1
destination early enough to enjoy the afternoon. Most of my hiking
is in the Sierras. I hike year `round,
### EDIT: I don't think it's necessary to have an apostrophe before
round. It's like putting an apostrophe before 'phone. Well, I have
been known to do that...

in all weather. I am making a
Post by rayestrella1
concerted effort to lighten weight everywhere I can. So far in 2005
I have logged 500 miles (800 km) with a pack on.
The product
Manufacturer: Gerber Legendary Blades (A division of Fiskar)
Web site: http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php?flash=1
### EDIT: the root URL is just

http://www.gerbergear.com/
Post by rayestrella1
Product: Guardian Back Up, fixed blade knife
Year made: 2005.
MSRP: Not listed on web site.
Weight listed: 3 oz (84 g) Actual weight 3.1 oz (87 g)
Overall length listed: 7.28" (182 mm) Actual length: 7.32" (183 mm)
Blade length listed: 3.41" (85 mm) Actual length: 3.45" (87 mm)
Knife alone weight: 1.8 oz (50.4 g)
Sheath alone weight: 1.3 oz (36.4 g)
It comes with a Limited Lifetime Warranty
### EDIT: This presently links off-site to Gerber. We don't allow any
more than the root URL, because with site redesigns other links will
usually be broken, in turn breaking the review. Please remove the
link, and instead put the warranty in the review text.
Post by rayestrella1
Field Conditions
I got the Guardian on April 20, 2005
### EDIT: period missing


Since receiving it I have taken
Post by rayestrella1
it on every hike except a trip to Mount Shasta. I have logged 373
miles (597 km) with this knife on my backpack. I have hiked from
400' (120 m) to over 14000' (4200 m) elevations, in temps ranging
from over 100F (38C) by the Kern River, and down to 17F (-8C)
### EDIT: speace between temperature and unit, please

on the
Post by rayestrella1
John Muir Trail. I have encountered extreme desert conditions, snow
and rain in the Sierra's, and beautiful days in Southern California.
I have been from as far south as Palm Springs, to as far north as
Tuolumne Meadows, in California.
Product description
The Guardian Back Up (hereafter referred to as the Guardian, or the
knife) is a double sided fixed blade knife. Here is a picture of the
knife and sheath.
The blade is made of High Carbon Stainless steel, and has been
blackened to make it non-reflective. Indeed the only shiny part of
the knife is the sharpened edges on either side of the blade. It is
a "3/4 tang blade", meaning that the blade continues three quarters
### EDIT: three-quarters
Post by rayestrella1
of the way to the end of the handle. With the use of a magnet I was
able to verify that this is the case. On one side of the blade is
the Gerber logo, and the words Portland OR beneath it. All are in
gold lettering.
The blade came in a very sharp state. And I have not had to sharpen
it yet.
### EDIT: The blade came in a very sharp state, and I have not had to
sharpen it yet.


I have cut freeze-dried food packages, cheese, salami,
Post by rayestrella1
summer sausage, and moleskin with it. I have made tinder, and shaved
wood with it. I have cut rope, accessory cord, and webbing with it.
A couple of times I threw it into a tree trunk. (We were bored)
### EDIT: period after bracket.


It
Post by rayestrella1
has held up very well.
Conclusions
I started using this knife for a couple of reasons. First was it's
### EDIT: its
Post by rayestrella1
low weight. It is a lot of knife for such a light package. But my
main reason was the carrying options. While I am not afraid of our
California animals, a couple of mountain lion attacks caught my
attention this year because the animals attacked adults, and did not
want to break off the attack even when hit with rocks and sticks by
other people. I always carry a knife. Usually a Gerber EZ Out
Skeleton.
### EDIT: I always carry a knife, usually a Gerber E-Z Out Skeleton.

[That's the correct product name].


But I started thinking about the Tekna whitewater knife
Post by rayestrella1
that I use when rafting or kayaking. It hangs with the handle down ,
from my whitewater vest. Allowing it to be drawn with either hand.
### EDIT: It hangs with the handle down from my whitewater vest,
allowing it to be drawn with either hand.
Post by rayestrella1
And because it is double edged, it is always ready to cut no matter
how you draw it. But it is heavy, and is hard to sharpen, and to
keep sharp.
### COMMENT: You start a lot of sentences with conjunctions, esp.
"and" and "but." Used sparingly, although the standard rule is
(generally) to avoid beginning a sentence this way, it gives the
writing a sense of immediacy. Still, two back-to-back is overdoing it
a bit.
Post by rayestrella1
When I saw that the Guardian could hang inverted and be adjusted to
easily draw with either hand, I figured my search was over. I slide
the sheath clip on to the cross strap on my backpack's left shoulder
strap. This allows me to remove it with no difficulty what so ever
### EDIT: whatsoever

.
Post by rayestrella1
Here is a picture of it on a Mountainsmith pack.
It has never come out inadvertently. I have used it on 4
### EDIT: four

different
Post by rayestrella1
backpacks, all with the same good results. It stays on the pack most
of the time, and therefore takes its share of scrapes when I lean it
against rocks or it falls on the ground. It stays out when it rains,
and once took a dunking in a river. T
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rayestrella1
2005-11-10 17:42:51 UTC
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Thanks for the help Ted. It is done and loaded.

Ray
Post by edwardripleyduggan
Hi Ray,
Thanks for the review.
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